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Created: 07/21 05:06 pm

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Punishment for vengeance

Substitute the persons involved where appropriate so that either scenario matches more closely with your real life situation (I want both to resonate strongly).

Scenario 1: Your youngest sibling is murdered and the man convicted of it, whom is actually guilty, is given a sentence your family finds to be a gross injustice, but under the law and what available evidence there was, it was the absolute best the State could do against that man. Shortly after his release, your father kills him. What is a just punishment for your father?

Scenario 2: An innocent man is killed by your father during the period of persons of interest and suspect interviews. Same question as above.

Scenario 3: An innocent man is convicted, sentenced for the same amount of time as the guilty man in Scenario 1, released and, again, killed by your father. How different should your father's punishment be from Scenario 2 and, if different from Scenario 2, Scenario 1?


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At 04:46 pm Schmuckula Said :
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1. As difficult as it would be, I generally believe in respecting law, but know angry and grief can cloud judgment. I'd probably give the father something comparable to a manslaughter sentence, albeit I can't say what that is on average, or something along the lines of 8-15 years with the possibility of parole, with a preference for the latter.

2. The father has not the sufficient basis to conclude and justify his actions, but the emotion felt, being closer to when the murder of his child took place, should be considered. But since his victim wasn't even indicted, the father's punishment should be worse, and I would lean toward the maximum manslaughter or minimum murder charges, but would keep parole as a possibility.

3. A definite oversight in my 3rd Scenario is that I did not indicate any knowledge on the father's part that the man was innocent, and it would be a reasonable inference to assume that even if the father knew of the exoneration in the court's view, he does not accept them. Therefor, though it would have been better if I had said he was aware of said exoneration, I can't consider that in my answer. Thus my answer for Scenario3 is the same as that of 1.
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At 09:17 pm 500nets Said :
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1. a just punishment, nothing as a punishment would be "just", realistically though, some jail time, early parole and community service that directy relates to the victims of attempted murder

2.same as scenario #1, it was all in the intention

3.the difference is jail would then be "just", but the crime would be understood
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In response to madmarcus At 07:05 pm speederspider Said :
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oh okay!
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In response to speederspider At 07:05 pm madmarcus Said :
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I texted you. how did the interview go. I don't wanna spam this thread though. It's a good one. I'll jump on one of yours.
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At 07:04 pm madmarcus Said :
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I for one am more appaled by a system of locking up humans then the idea of haveing to kill someone before they kill me and my loved ones. I say bring back Duels and release the simple drug dealers spending 35 years in jail for being poor NOT breaking the law.
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In response to madmarcus At 07:03 pm speederspider Said :
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Hey marcus!
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At 07:02 pm madmarcus Said :
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Scenario 1) would not transpire like that. With my brother being a Cop and my Twin and I...well capable. The man would never make it to the conviction. Guilty or otherwise.

BUT to play along lets say he lives long enough to get out of jail. My father wouldn't have to lift a finger.

Scenario 2) My father goes to jail for killing an innocent man, then gets out in an unfair shortened sentance, then my father kills himself...Ok...but my father wouldn't off himself he is too indifferent towords life and death in general.

Scenario 3) I have a hard time with these questions as I don't see how murder is so bad ultimately. Guilt and Innocense are myths I don't believe in nor concern myself with...and as much as I love my Father his life is his own, much like he allowed for me...legally I'd say the justice system has the same difficulties with Guilt, Innocence, and the value of life that I do so What ever...is my dad a black man? That could make a difference.
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In response to Schmuckula At 05:46 pm speederspider Said :
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you should respond.
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At 05:43 pm Schmuckula Said :
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Cough. More responses.
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At 05:11 pm speederspider Said :
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Scenerio 1: The father should get to walk because of the injustice done to his child.

scenerio 2: The father should go to jail for slaying innocent blood.

scenerio 3: The innocent man should have had a better lawyer.
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