At 11:24 pm browneyes33 Said :	0
	The answer is simple, The TRUTH is everything!!!! The bigger question is *what is the truth?

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	In response to madmarcus At 10:27 pm WaterSheerie Said :	0
	I did like John Stuart Mill's idea on utilitarianism.

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	In response to WaterSheerie At 10:19 pm madmarcus Said :	+2
	yeah but I didn't say it was good...I said it was right. I really need to find my hard copy of that essay. it was really short. It had all this in it. Good and Evil, Right and Wrong. Your torture example brings up a utilitarian ethic approach. one I adere to if I adere to any idea that has ever scratched my thought processing cortex. (brain)

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	At 10:03 pm WaterSheerie Said :	+2
	I actually got in this huge debate on another chat site with people who felt that torture could be 'right' as long as it was done to save people. Never mind that torture is a heinous action all by itself. The idea that if a 'good' person does it, then it magically becomes 'good' is bullshit. Torture is one of the things that separates someone that is 'good' from someone that is 'evil.' Also, the information gained from torture isn't throughly valid, a person may just be screaming random shit to end the pain. There are other, more ethical ways of gaining information. Torture should never be the only result. And even if one resorts to it, it may be necessary (though I still would look for other ways), but it isn't justified.

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	In response to madmarcus At 09:57 pm madmarcus Said :	+1
	not to point out*

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	At 09:56 pm madmarcus Said :	+3
	I believe in Might Makes Right. with the Implied (by Honest Abe) let us hope that right makes might. It is a lesson My older brother taught me at a young age and its simplistic truth has yet to be wrong in my eyes. Sure we all have ideas, we all have "the asnwers" but when we don't? then what. They say a man that resorts to his fists is a man that has run out of ideas...hey sometimes I run out of ideas. It happens. then I go with my gut and anyone that is "smarter" then I am should have been smart enough to point out that I am out of ideas. that is unless he/she can beat me.

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	In response to RAdNuDdOeM At 09:49 pm WaterSheerie Said :	+1
	I would go by both intent and the results. Although the 'road to hell is paved with good intentions', I think that the 'good' of the intent should not be ignored completely. Also, I don't much care for the idea of 'the ends justify the means', as it opens the door for all sorts of atrocities...but as long as the end is 'good', then that somehow justifies anything. After all, some would say that torture could be used for 'good', but does that make torture a justifiable action?

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	In response to RAdNuDdOeM At 09:02 pm RAdNuDdOeM Said :	+1
	i wouldn't change anything.

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	In response to WaterSheerie At 09:02 pm RAdNuDdOeM Said :	+1
	Agreed. i believe that the moral worth of an action, should be based on its ultimate outcome. The ends-justifying-the-means theory. Most people if asked if they would change anything if they could go back in time, say no, they wouldn't change anything.

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	At 08:48 pm october1015 Said :	0
	:D

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